What happens when you stop looking for the “man of God” to tell you who you are—and discover your identity has been secure all along?

In this episode, Baxter and Jason reflect on the long journey from insecurity, conference‑hopping, and searching for affirmation, to the liberating revelation of our true identity in Christ. Through personal stories, including a formative encounter at Bible college, reflections on the Torrance brothers, and moments of awakening that changed everything, they explore how identity is not found in our spiritual heroes but revealed in everyday encounters with the Father, Son, and Spirit.

All creation is the manifestation of a Love (God) Song, the Logos (logic) of God. Music is not illogical but more “logic” than we can comprehend. And so, to appreciate Music, the Music, the Logos, must comprehend us. Physicists argue that all elementary particles are different ‘notes’ on a fundamental string, such that “The universe… is akin to a cosmic symphony,” (Brian Green). Aslan sings Narnia into existence. In Tolkien’s The Silmarillion, God through angels sings creation into existence, and when a fallen angel sings discordant notes, God Himself sings those discordant notes into a deeper harmony. The dissonance creates a longing for consonance and ecstatic delight in a deeper resonance. In the Revelation, a slaughtered lamb stands on the throne (the top of the ark) and sings meaning into the Seven Sealed Scroll as all creation worships. Reality is a dance, and if you’re not dancing to the Logos of Love, perhaps you don’t actually exist. When you nail the Logos to a tree, what do you get? Sheet music, dance steps, science, and technology — it has its place, but it’s not the same as feeling happy or dancing in the moonlight.

“The Logos became flesh and we have seen his glory—grace.” Jesus lived gracefully; He lived His life like a dance. The dance fulfilled the law, although it was not at all what we expected. We had the sheet music; we had the knowledge of good and evil; we had the law in a coffin in a stone temple. We had the dance steps, but we were all surprised by the Dancer and His Dance.

Jason and Baxter continue the conversation by talking about practical implications, new revelation, separation, affection and participation, freedom, the liberty and freedom of the undiluted gospel, and recognizing the sacred presence.

Baxter and Jason continue to dig deeper on Union, mutual recognition, encounters, what they mean by Manifest Presence, the reality of John 14:20, validation, and walking expressions of Grace.

Step into another conversation with Jason and Baxter as they talk about measureless good news, five words that make all the difference, what good and noble by nature means, Pretzel logic, the mystery too beautiful for words, J.B. Torrance, the foundations of the Western mind, and the heart and soul of the Universe.