In this thought-provoking episode, Dr. C. Baxter Kruger and Jason Clark delve into a challenging discussion about the true meaning of the cross and the shortcomings of penal substitutionary atonement. They question traditional views by exploring the relational dynamics within the Trinity, the concept of divine submission, and the profound implications of Jesus’ death. Together, they examine who truly "killed" Jesus, suggesting that the violence of the cross reflects humanity's delusion and fractured understanding of God, rather than divine wrath. This eye-opening conversation invites listeners to reconsider the gospel as a message of divine love, union, and reconciliation.

In this powerful episode, Dr. C. Baxter Kruger and Jason Clark explore the Gospel of John, focusing on themes of divine light, humanity’s catastrophic delusion, and the profound nature of Union. They tackle questions about identity, separation, and the deep-seated human tendency to turn away from the light. Drawing on John’s words, they reveal how Jesus steps into our darkness, not as an external savior but as the light within, piercing through our blindness and resistance to illuminate the truth of divine love. This eye-opening discussion challenges viewers to confront misconceptions and discover the radical, inclusive love of God.

In this weeks episode Jason and David are joined by good friend Paul Young to explore how to experience God’s presence even in the midst of life’s storms. This is a profound conversation about trust, love, and finding God “at the bottom of the boat”—a place of stillness, surrender, and clarity amid chaos.

People argue that there is no reason for faith, and thus it is unreasonable. And yet, there are all sorts of things for which we can find no reason, especially not with the scientific method. They’re all around us. Here are a few:

1. 1. Love… At least not real love or the logic of love: self-sacrifice.
2. 2. Beauty, what the Bible calls “the Good” or the “Glorious.” You can’t reason your way to Beauty.
3. 3. Light. For light, there can be no temporal reason, but perhaps it is the reason for temporality.
4. 4. Life. Darwin did not explain life, but death. Life is a communion of self-sacrifice.
5. 5. Persons, Consciousness, Spirit. Even physicists will tell you that matter doesn’t matter, but you, the observer, do. That’s the “I” that observes “me.”
6. 6. Existence. Not things in existence, but existence. Philosophers refer to God as the Uncaused Cause or Necessary Beingness (“ousias” in Greek). Yahweh’s name is “I Am that I Am.”
7. 7. Reason. There is no reason for Reason. How could there be?

All creation is the manifestation of a Love (God) Song, the Logos (logic) of God. Music is not illogical but more “logic” than we can comprehend. And so, to appreciate Music, the Music, the Logos, must comprehend us. Physicists argue that all elementary particles are different ‘notes’ on a fundamental string, such that “The universe… is akin to a cosmic symphony,” (Brian Green). Aslan sings Narnia into existence. In Tolkien’s The Silmarillion, God through angels sings creation into existence, and when a fallen angel sings discordant notes, God Himself sings those discordant notes into a deeper harmony. The dissonance creates a longing for consonance and ecstatic delight in a deeper resonance. In the Revelation, a slaughtered lamb stands on the throne (the top of the ark) and sings meaning into the Seven Sealed Scroll as all creation worships. Reality is a dance, and if you’re not dancing to the Logos of Love, perhaps you don’t actually exist. When you nail the Logos to a tree, what do you get? Sheet music, dance steps, science, and technology — it has its place, but it’s not the same as feeling happy or dancing in the moonlight.

“The Logos became flesh and we have seen his glory—grace.” Jesus lived gracefully; He lived His life like a dance. The dance fulfilled the law, although it was not at all what we expected. We had the sheet music; we had the knowledge of good and evil; we had the law in a coffin in a stone temple. We had the dance steps, but we were all surprised by the Dancer and His Dance.