<span style="color: rgb(19, 19, 19); font-family: Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; white-space-collapse: preserve; background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.05);">In this engaging conversation, Jason and Stephen Roach explore the intersection of art, faith, and creativity. They discuss the importance of embracing failure, the value of dreaming, and the generational impact of their work.

Stephen shares his journey as an artist and instigator, emphasizing the need for honest reflection and the role of community in understanding God. The dialogue highlights the shift in their perspectives on spirituality and the significance of legacy in their creative endeavors.

The guys explore themes of disappointment, identity, and the creative journey, particularly in the aftermath of COVID-19. They discuss the importance of journaling, reflection, and community in navigating challenges and cultivating hope.

The conversation also highlights the upcoming The Breath And The Clay gathering, which aims to bring together creatives to explore the theme of wholeness amidst life's fragments.</span>

Stephen Roach / The Breath & The Clay