<span style="color: rgb(19, 19, 19); font-family: Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.05);">In this conversation, Nathan Apffel shares his journey with Brooke Waters and Jason from being a filmmaker in the action sports industry to being a creator of a docuseries that explores the complexities of faith and the church. He discusses his personal experiences that shaped his understanding of God, the role of fatherhood in his spiritual awakening, and the importance of transparency and accountability within the church.

Nathan emphasizes the need for the church to evolve and address its issues while highlighting the beauty of community and personal ministry. The conversation also sets the stage for the second season of 'The Religion Business,' which aims to confront deeper issues within the church and offer tangible solutions.

Then the conversation turns to the role of the church in addressing social issues such as foster care, homelessness, and child sexual abuse. Nathan emphasizes the importance of community empowerment, the need for reform within church structures, and the potential for innovative models of gathering that foster connection and support.</span>

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