In this conversation, Jason Clark, Matthew Hester, and Chris Green discuss the concept of union with Christ and its implications. They explore the idea that Jesus identifies completely with humanity and suffers with us. They also discuss the difference between a simplistic understanding of union and a profound understanding that recognizes the fullness of our identity in Christ.

How the master-slave paradigm is misused to justify power and control, speaking truth with love and authority, Christian nationalism and how it undermines the integrity of the gospel, the concept of the fear of the Lord and how it leads to perfect love, breaking conspiracy thinking and the hope we can know because God is in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, in this podcast, the guys start and end with the hope of the Gospel—God is in Christ reconciling the world to Himself.

“The Israelite heals; that’s all you need to know.” Jefferey
From Cormac McCarthy’s The Passenger.

Chris EW Green / The Israelite Heals, That's All You Need To Know

Union, the gospel according to John, the nature of delusion, everlasting mercy, early church fathers and mothers, the always good nature of God, a prophet in his hometown desperation, the wrath of God, hell, freedom, salvation, holiness, the Fatherhood of God before creation, the incarnation, a prophet in his home town, the cloud of witnesses, the all-inclusive vicarious humanity of Jesus, the good Shepherd, in this conversation Baxter reveals the gospel as very good news—Christ in you! Plus, crawfish tacos!

C. Baxter Kruger / Christ In You!

“How do we move toward each other in love, the truth of our authentic power? Perhaps, we welcome change instead of resisting it. To expand my worldview beyond the paradigm of Southern, Christian, rural, or working poor to a larger cosmic frame that is inclusive, universal, affirming, and accepting, I needed to see the parts and the whole in all their majestic splendor and their messy complexity.”

And: The Restorative Power Of Love In An Either Or World, in this podcast, Felicia shares the message of her book. Touching on issues of race, body, motherhood, church, and wonder, Felicia offers her soul, and it is a wise, deep, creative, and generous soul. The restorative power and uniting thread of love, union, empathy, dualism, good and evil, and The Tree of Life, this conversation is full of hope, grace, wisdom, and revelation.

Felicia Murrell / And: The Restorative Power Of Love In An Either/Or World

“The Kingdom is the heart and the authority of God, from heaven, on earth, through us.” Rethinking Kingdom in the context of union, understanding the nature of the King, the penal substitutionary atonement heresy, a restorative understanding of the prophetic, how to receive or judge a prophetic word, holding on to what is good, dominion as opposed to domination, in this conversation, Dubb Alexander gives insight into Jesus words, Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand…God’s kingdom is within.

Dubb Alexander / The Kingdom

In this conversation, Bill Vanderbush and Jason discuss the shift from a desperate, performance-based Christianity to living in the goodness and simplicity of Christ. They explore the concept of the goodness of God and the danger of limited perception. They also touch on the deconstructed community and the reformational period the body of Christ is going through.

Bill Vanderbush / Unveiled Horizon

<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">In this conversation, Jason and Bryant Spratlin discuss the goodness of God and the journey of rethinking God’s wrath as love, the impact of misinterpretation and bad theology, hearing God’s voice, parenting and apologizing, choosing to love and staying connected, identity, loving the religious, imaginary prayer, the fear of being wrong, rethinking hell, apokatastasis-the restoration of all things, the pleasure of our Father, awakening to the present love reality, and Jesus as the perfect minister. The guys discuss the story of the woman caught in adultery to reveal the paradigm of union as the third option Jesus offers all of us. Overall, this conversation highlights the importance of understanding God’s goodness and the transformative power of grace.

Bryant Spratlin / The Third Option

Early encounters with Holy Spirit—the Gospel, growing in the language of love, shifting paradigms from separation to union, the conviction of God’s goodness, The Prodigal Son and the Good Father, Jesus the storyteller, and the significance of presenting the gospel through story, prison ministry, and transformative love, the Eucharist, the eternal now, gratitude and enjoyment; in this conversation Malcolm and Cheryl Smith share their background and journey in ministry, highlighting key moments of encounter and revelation.

Malcolm & Cheryl Smith / The Storyteller

<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 14px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">Jason and Brooke connect with Ian Simkins and talk about community, the role of the table in ministry, and our identity being discovered in knowing ourselves as “the one Jesus loves.”<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 14px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">They dive into the challenges of tribalism and division and the need for curiosity and humility in engaging with others. Themes of self-worth, identity, and the concept of being loved are discussed as they explore the impact of workaholism, the need for validation, and the struggle to find value beyond accomplishments.<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 14px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">The conversation addresses the practical implications of being loved, the correlation between self-love and loving others, the importance of operating from a place of rest, the concept of mystery in faith, the beauty of curiosity, and the significance of valuing interruptions.

Ian Simkins / The Table

<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 12px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); line-height: 1.6em; font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">In this conversation, Jason and Catherine Toon discuss the themes of love, identity, and purpose as they revisit Catherine’s revised and expanded edition of her book, Marked By Love.<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 12px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); line-height: 1.6em; font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">They discuss the importance of journaling and encountering God experientially. The conversation addresses the lies and insecurities we often believe about ourselves and the truth of our identity in Christ. The conversation emphasizes the transformative power of God’s love as they explore the idea that we are created in God’s image and likeness, prone to love, and designed to live in the fullness of His pleasure.<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 12px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); line-height: 1.6em; font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">They also touch on the importance of trust and faith in navigating life’s challenges and finding rest in God’s presence. The conversation is filled with insights and personal stories that highlight the transformative power of understanding our identity in Christ.

Catherine Toon / Loveology

This is the first of four conversations with Mathew Hester, focused on his book, The Rorschach God, and Jason's book, Leaving and Finding Jesus. In this conversation, Matthew and Jason explore the idea that our experiences and perspectives shape our image of God and how this can lead to a distorted view. They emphasize the need to trust in God's goodness, as Jesus revealed, and to live in the freedom of knowing that we are loved and accepted by Him. The conversation also touches on relational theology, the nature of the Father, and the shift from a separation gospel to a gospel of union.

Hester & Clark Part One / Rethinking Our Understanding of God: The Rorschach God

This is the second of four conversations with Mathew Hester, focused on his book, The Rorschach God, and Jason's book, Leaving and Finding Jesus. In this conversation, Jason and Matthew discuss the story of the Emmaus Road and its significance in understanding the nature of God and our relationship with Him. They explore the idea that Jesus is always present and walking with us, even when we don't recognize Him. They emphasize the importance of revelation and awakening to the reality of union with God. They also highlight the freedom and confidence that comes from living in our true identity as sons and daughters of God.

Hester & Clark Part 2 / Revelation: When Our Head Catches Up with the Truth

In this conversation, Jason and Matthew Hester discuss the nature of God and the concept of justice. They explore the idea of a measureless love that transcends dimensions of time and space—and how this love is the foundation of God's character. They challenge traditional Western views of wrath and justice, emphasizing the restorative nature of God's justice. They also touch on the topic of hell and how it is often misunderstood. Overall, the conversation invites listeners to rethink their understanding of God and His love.

For more information on Matthew Hester:
www.hesterministries.org

For more information on Jason Clark:
www.afamilystory.org

Hester & Clark Part 3 / Reclaiming the Character and Nature of God

In this conversation, Jason and Matthew Hester discuss the nature of God and the concept of justice. They explore the idea of a measureless love that transcends dimensions of time and space—and how this love is the foundation of God's character. They challenge traditional Western views of wrath and justice, emphasizing the restorative nature of God's justice. They also touch on the topic of hell and how it is often misunderstood. Overall, the conversation invites listeners to rethink their understanding of God and His love.

For more information on Matthew Hester:
www.hesterministries.org

For more information on Jason Clark:
www.afamilystory.org

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Hester & Clark Part 4 / The Measureless Love of God!

The conversation between Jason Clark and Luke Agee explores the themes of community, rediscovering the goodness of God, and the transition happening in the body of Christ. They discuss the idea of Jason being known as the 'tacos guy' and how tacos represent the communal aspect of rediscovering who God is. They also delve into the story of Naaman and how it relates to the current season of the church. They emphasize the shift from a transactional mindset to a participation in a relationship with a God who is better than we thought.

In this conversation, the guys discuss the concept of separation from God and the miss-identity it creates. They explore the idea that God never abandoned Jesus on the cross and that there is no division or separation within the Trinity. They also challenge the belief in eternal conscious torment and propose that hell is the rejection of love and a distorted perspective of God. The conversation concludes with a reflection on Psalm 23 and the invitation to trust in the goodness and love of God.

For more information on Luke Agee:
www.facebook.com/lou.casagee

For more information on Jason Clark:
www.afamilystory.org

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Luke Agee & Jason Clark Part 1 / Freedom From Shame and Condemnation

In this conversation, Luke Agee and Jason discuss the concept of separation and the lie that Jesus was abandoned by the Father on the cross. They explore Psalm 22 and how it is fulfilled in Jesus' crucifixion, highlighting that Jesus was not abandoned by the Father but was actually fulfilling prophecy. 

They also touch on the topic of eternal conscious torment. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the goodness of God and the invitation to trust in His love.

For more information on Luke Agee:
www.facebook.com/lou.casagee

For more information on Jason Clark:
www.afamilystory.org

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Luke Agee & Jason Clark Part 2 / Rethinking Eternal Conscious Torment

<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">In this conversation, hosted by Bob Switzer and Jason, David Hewitt discusses the message of his new book, Ultimate Rest. They guys dive into living from a place of union with God. David emphasizes that the gospel is an announcement of what God has already done, and our role is to awaken to the rest that is already available to us in Christ. David highlights the importance of living in the overflow of God’s love and grace, rather than striving to earn His favor. He encourages a relational approach to sharing the gospel, where we authentically live out our identity in Christ and allow God to work through us.<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">

David Hewitt / Ultimate Rest

<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">In this conversation, Jason and Jeff Turner discuss their experiences with questioning and exploring their faith. They talk about the process of deconstructing their beliefs and the fear and uncertainty that comes with it. In the first half of the conversation, the guys touch on themes from Jeff’s book, Saints in the Arms of a Happy God. They discuss topics such as grace, legalism, pain, leaving and finding Jesus, and the tight-knit community of like-minded individuals.<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">In the second half of the conversation, they discuss Jeff’s book, The Atheistic Theist: Why There is No God and You Should Follow Him. Jeff shares how atheism was part of Jeff’s journey to a deeper understanding of faith.

Jeff Turner / The Atheistic Theist

<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">In this delightful conversation, Jason, Brooke, and Pete Enns explore the complexities of faith, scripture, and personal experiences. They discuss the historical context of biblical inerrancy, the importance of experiential faith, and the interconnectedness of all things.<p class="encore-text encore-text-body-medium" data-encore-id="text" data-slate-node="element" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">The dialogue emphasizes the significance of relationship in understanding God, the role of community, and the impact of suffering and love on one’s faith journey. The light-hearted discussion about tacos became a fun metaphor for the diversity of thought in theology, highlighting the need for openness and exploration in both food and faith.

Pete Enns / ...Finding A Bigger God

<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">“We’ve preached man in Adam; we need to preach man in Christ.”<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">In this conversation, Francois and Lydia du Toit discuss with Jason the power of the gospel and the revelation of our identity in Christ. Francois speaks to our oneness with God and explores the idea that faith is not something we do, but something that happens to us when we grasp the truth that we are in Christ and experience the fellowship that comes from this realization. They also highlight the joy and confidence that comes from living in this reality and the impact it can have on our daily lives.

Francois & Lydia du Toit / Awakening To The I Am-Ness Of God

<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">Chris Gore, Carlos Padilla, and Jason discuss healing, God’s nature, and the importance of understanding the Father’s heart. They emphasize being anchored in God’s goodness when understanding the miraculous. They also address the tension of disappointment and the importance of not defining God’s nature based on what we haven’t received.<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">The conversation highlights the journey of discovering the love of the Father and the significance of repentance in changing our mindset. In this conversation, the guys discuss union with God and its implications for healing and miracles. They emphasize that God is not just the God of the mountaintop but also the God of the valley and that regardless of circumstances, He is always with us.<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">They explore the idea of eternal life and how it is not something we will attain in the future, but something we can experience in the present moment. They also discuss stewarding healing or the finished work of the cross.

Chris Gore / Union & Miracles

<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">This conversation between Jason and Don Keathley dives into Don’s history and the evolution that led to the Grace Awakening Network.<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">The guys discuss the transformative power of grace, the Fatherhood of God, unconditional love, inclusion, and the practicality of the manifestation of the sons of God. The conversation delves into the importance of trust, the revelation of God’s love, and the significance of becoming the light of the world. They also explore the concept of faith and the measureless revelation of God’s love.<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">The conversation delves into the concept of sonship and the revelation of the Father’s love, emphasizing the integration of Jesus’ identity with our own. It explores the idea of theosis and the developmental process of becoming the fullest measure of the stature of Christ.

Don Keathley / A Grace Awakening!

In this conversation, Brent Lokker and Jason share personal experiences and insights into the understanding of union with Christ, emphasizing the importance of seeing God’s love and grace in every aspect of life. They discuss the revelation of God’s goodness and the transformation it brings. Shame, freedom, awakening to the perfection of God’s love, the power of revelation, belonging, authenticity, and the power of seeing others as filled with God’s glory; in this conversation, Brent and Jason share stories that illustrate the heart of the Father and His desire to draw us into a relationship with Him.

Brent Lokker / Union Revelation

<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; font-size: 15px; font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Dr. Tony Robinson, Brooke Waters, and Jason discuss being a dream disruptor—challenging false narratives and helping people discover their true selves.&nbsp; <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">Dr. Tony emphasizes the importance of knowing who Father God is and how He sees us. She also talks about discovering our identity in Christ, the power of asking questions in a relational context, and seeking God’s perspective in understanding our purpose.<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">In this conversation, Dr. Tony, Brooke, and Jason discuss the importance of dreaming and living in alignment with one’s true identity. They explore the idea that dreams are not just individual desires but a partnership with God to bring about His purposes. They also highlight the significance of dreaming generationally, understanding that dreams have the power to impact future generations.

Dr. Tony Robinson / The Dream Disrupter

Neuroscience and human relationships in the context of the biblical narrative, living in the path of oncoming beauty, moving from imagination to incarnation, being known, a peace beyond understanding, secure attachment—being seen, soothed, safe and secure—left brain right brain imagery, and The Soul of Desire, I this conversation Curt invites us to see beauty as we create beauty, as we become beauty because we are paying attention to Father who never leaves.

Curt Thompson MD / Imagination To Incarnation

<span class="yt-core-attributed-string--link-inherit-color" dir="auto" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">This conversation with Bob Hamp and co-host, Brooke Waters, explores the themes of freedom, identity, and transformation, emphasizing the shift from religious performance to relational experience. It delves into the concept of thinking differently, highlighting the process of becoming who we are created to be.&nbsp;<span class="yt-core-attributed-string--link-inherit-color" dir="auto" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">The conversation delves into the topics of identity, behavior, freedom, and the nature of God’s love. It explores the idea that behavior follows identity. The concept of the kingdom of God and the discovery of oneness is also discussed, emphasizing the role of consent and freedom in the context of love.

Bob Hamp / Think Differently

<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">This conversation, co-hosted by Paul Golf, explores Douglas Campbell and Jon DePue’s book, Beyond Justification: Liberating Paul’s Gospel. The guys discuss the practical implications of their theological perspective and its impact on the church and society. The relational nature of God’s revelation and the transformative power of understanding God’s kindness and reconciliation are central themes.<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">This conversation delves into the concept of Christian Universalism, the impact of theological beliefs on individuals, and the importance of rethinking traditional perspectives. The conversation also touches on the significance of understanding God’s love and the practical implications of our beliefs in everyday life.

Douglas Campbell & Jon Depue / Beyond Justification: Liberating Paul's Gospel

Recorded in December of last year, Cory dives into our identity as saints and invites us to discover what God says and believes about us. The guys talk about restoration, transformation, grace, our Father’s love, and living confidently in a relational understanding of God’s love. Cory shares about his new book, What If I Told You. This book takes the reader on a 21-day journey to rediscover ourselves; grace, wholeness, being loved, and union are the invitations of this book. Pastoring and counseling and practicing community, in this conversation, they guys enjoy discussing how God is better than the last time they checked.

Corey Rice / Saints Not Sinners

<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">Dr. Jerome D. Lubbe, a neuroplasticity expert, discusses his journey and the intersection of faith and science. He shares his experience growing up in South Africa and immigrating to the United States, as well as his personal health struggles.<p class="encore-text encore-text-body-medium" data-encore-id="text" data-slate-node="element" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">Dr. Lubbe explains the Enneagram as a tool for understanding motivations and behaviors, emphasizing the importance of exploring all aspects of our personality. He also introduces the concept of neuroplasticity, which is the brain’s ability to change and adapt. Brooke Waters co-hosts along with Jason as they challenge the idea that we cannot change and highlight the potential for growth and transformation. Dr. Lubbe emphasizes the importance of framing conversations through the lens of a safe and healthy parent or adult. He also explores the idea that change is not about being less broken, but about becoming more whole.

Dr. Jerome Lubbe / The Brain-Based Enneagram: You Are Not A Number

“It can be true of us but not true to us.” Epignosis- a deeper, more personal, and experiential knowledge, the grace of apostolic ministry, the importance of connection and community, objective and subjective truth, encountering God’s love and affection, the role of works in grace, moving from church mentality to Kingdom thinking, experiencing the truth goodness of God, living in freedom, the invitation to union and clearing the lens, the nature of hell and darkness, the relational dynamic with God, being light and working out salvation, living in the ease of His life, and the partnership between faith and action, in this conversation, Bishop Jamie Englehart and Jason dive into union and the journey experiencing our theology.&nbsp;

Bishop Jamie Englehart / Epignosis — A Deeper, More Personal Experiential Knowledge

The doctrine of inerrancy, a Christocentric hermeneutic, the multiple genres of literature within the bible, Jesus as perfect theology, intimacy, trust, and the goodness of God, overcoming evil, loving our enemies, a non-violent God, forgiveness, the American Church’s’ obsession with retribution, Christocentric pacifism, our interconnected-ness, justice; in this conversation, Jared Neusch and the guys dive into a Christ-Centered approach to life, faith, and Scripture.

Jared Neusch / A Christocentric Hermeneutic & A Non-Violent God

<span data-offset-key="b8aa7-0-0" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">Encountering Jesus in the Gospels, studying&nbsp;<span data-offset-key="b8aa7-1-0" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">Scripture<span data-offset-key="b8aa7-2-0" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">&nbsp;in community, embracing a relational theology centered on the love and grace of God, Gnosticism, confession, repentance and restorative justice, Jesus, the temple and a whip, the prophetic act of Jesus, the wisdom of Love, the concept of inclusion, the importance of embracing diversity, and the meal where everybody’s “in;” in this conversation, Cherith shares personal transformative stories of faith and trust and hope, and invites us to find our home in Jesus.

Cherith Fee Nordling /

<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">In this conversation, Bob Switzer shares his journey. Women in ministry, shifting from exegetical to narrative preaching, challenging traditional church structures, and pursuing authenticity, in this conversation Bob discusses the importance of Jesus as perfect theology and the need to reexamine problematic scriptures.<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">Bob also reflects on the loneliness experienced as a pastor and the lack of long-term friendships. He highlights the significance of exploring new theological perspectives and embracing the goodness of God. In this conversation, Bob Switzer and Jason discuss the misconceptions of podcasting and the unique format of Bob’s podcast, The Epic Narrative.

Bob Switzer / The Epic Narrative

God to Schlyce: “You never rebelled from me; you rebelled from a version of me that was never me…” Identity, the illusion of separation, trauma triggers and healing, how to hear the voice of God, experiencing the joy and wonder of continual fellowship with God; in this conversation, Schlyce Jimenez shares about her faith journey and her book, The Path. The Path helps readers discover how their life would be different if they could know the Father like Jesus did. You can learn more about Schlyce at&nbsp;<a href="https://www.schlyce.com/" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(140, 126, 81); text-decoration-line: none; font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">www.schlyce.com</a>

Schlyce Jimenez

The scapegoat mechanism, the subversion of myth, the anthropological story of humanity, the message of the blood of Jesus, understanding mimesis and desire, the transformative power of relationships, the relational nature of reality, the interconnectedness of all things, peace and beauty and seeing the sacred in every moment; in this conversation, Carlos, Jason, and Andre explore the concept of mimetic theory.

Andre Rabe / Processing Mimetic Reality

<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">In this fun and engaging conversation, Jason and his son Ethan explore the complexities of faith, family, and the next generation’s relationship with the church. They discuss personal encounters with God, the importance of authenticity, and the challenges faced by youth today.<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">The conversation also touches on parenting philosophies, church trauma, and the transformative power of love and identity in Christ. Through their candid exchange, they highlight the significance of fostering genuine connections and understanding in a rapidly changing world.

Ethan Wilde Clark / Connection, Community & Authenticity

Theology and methodology, communal learning, asking questions and discussing false narratives, theodicy, rethinking atonement theories, the stages of faith – simplicity, complexity, perplexity, harmony (Brian McLaren), deconstruction, liturgy, the lectionary, spiral dynamics, and first-tier thinking, the stories we tell ourselves about ourselves, and letting God tell our story; in this podcast, Randall and the guys talk about a theology of love as revealed through the incarnation.

Randall Worley / When The Church Was Young

Recognizing our shared humanity, approaching Christian nationalists in love, ethnic erasure, navigating fear, violence and the political and religious divide, personal transformation and hospitality, finding heaven’s solution to the immigration problem, shifting towards unity and compassion, creating language to communicate better alternatives, navigating potentially caustic interactions with leaders in the evangelical world, the influence of money and power in American Christian nationalism, the church growth model of American Christian nationalism, the exhaustion of maintaining a divisive posture, and seeing the manifold wisdom of God in all people, in this conversation Caleb Campbell shares with Dubb Alexander and Jason about his forthcoming book, Disarming Leviathan.

Caleb Campbell / Disarming Leviathan

<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">In this conversation, Jason and Brooke discuss Jason’s book ‘Surrendered and Untamed’ and the journey of writing it. They explore the themes of radical faith, surrender, and living untamed. Jason shares his personal experiences and encounters with God that shaped the book.<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">This podcast discusses the process of writing, radical obedience, discovering and embracing ‘calling,’ a relational approach to surrender, themes of hope, identity, and union, and rethinking favor. Brooke and Jason explore the concept of separation and how it affects our understanding of God and our experiences in the church. Jason also touches on the themes of dismissal, rejection, and the spirit of prostitution within the church.<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">The conversation concludes with a discussion about tacos and an announcement of a book study on ‘Untamed’.

Jason Clark with Brooke Waters / Untamed

In this engaging conversation, Damon Thompson and Jason explore themes of spiritual awakening, identity in Christ, and the transformative power of love. They share personal stories of metanoia, radical encounters with God, and the journey from a performance-based faith to a relationship rooted in beloved identity.

The discussion highlights the importance of challenging doctrinal certainties and embracing the nature of the Father as loving and nurturing, ultimately leading to a deeper understanding of one's identity as the beloved of God.

Damon and Jason discuss divine love, trust, and the importance of family dynamics in faith. They dive into how understanding God's love can transform relationships and communities, emphasizing the need for rest and trust in the midst of life's storms. The dialogue also touches on the significance of generational legacy, the peculiar nature of God's people, the reformative movements within the church that challenge traditional views, the historical influences shaping modern theology, and the transformative power of goodness and love.

Ultimately, the guys highlight the importance of revelation and the transformative power of love in shaping a new understanding of faith. They discuss the importance of connecting across generations and building bridges within faith communities, emphasizing the joy of shared experiences and the opportunities for growth and connection in their journeys.
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Damon Thompson / Awakening To Beloved Identity

In this engaging conversation, John Winston Crowder III,&nbsp; Bill Vanderbush I, and Jason Clark explore themes of universal reconciliation, the nature of God's love, and the purpose of preaching the gospel. They share personal stories and theological insights and discuss the importance of understanding salvation as a relationship with Jesus rather than a mere escape from hell.

In this conversation, John, Bill, and Jason explore profound themes surrounding the incarnation of Christ, the process of deconstruction within the church, and the emergence of a new reformation. They discuss the cosmic nature of the incarnation, the awakening to our true identity in Christ, and the transformative power of grace.

The dialogue also touches on the humorous side of life, illustrated through taco stories, of course, emphasizing the joy and lightness that can accompany deep theological discussions.

John Crowder / The Creator, Sustainer, and Reconciler of ALL THINGS with Bill Vanderbush

In this conversation, Jason Clark and Gary Grant explore the transformative journey of faith, the evolving dynamics of the church, and the importance of creating safe spaces for spiritual growth. Gary shares his personal experiences, including a significant breakdown that led to a deeper understanding of covenant relationships versus contractual ones.

The guys discuss the impact of COVID-19 on church structures and the essence of living in intimacy with the Father, emphasizing the need for a shift towards a more relational and family-oriented approach in church communities. The conversation also touches on the significance of connection and community, highlighting that love and kindness are essential in fostering genuine relationships.

The guys delve into the themes of godly leadership, family dynamics, and the evolving nature of community engagement within the church. They explore the importance of personal encounters with God, the transformative experiences that shape individuals, and the cultural shifts necessary for a thriving church community.

Finally, the discussion touches on the mission of the Collective Wisdom Academy, which aims to provide frameworks for personal and spiritual growth.

Gary Grant / Building The Church As A Family

In this engaging conversation, Jason and Stephen Roach explore the intersection of art, faith, and creativity. They discuss the importance of embracing failure, the value of dreaming, and the generational impact of their work.

Stephen shares his journey as an artist and instigator, emphasizing the need for honest reflection and the role of community in understanding God. The dialogue highlights the shift in their perspectives on spirituality and the significance of legacy in their creative endeavors.

The guys explore themes of disappointment, identity, and the creative journey, particularly in the aftermath of COVID-19. They discuss the importance of journaling, reflection, and community in navigating challenges and cultivating hope.

The conversation also highlights the upcoming The Breath And The Clay gathering, which aims to bring together creatives to explore the theme of wholeness amidst life's fragments.

Stephen Roach / The Breath & The Clay

In this engaging conversation with Brook and Jason, David Hayward, known as the Naked Pastor, shares his journey from a traditional pastor to a full-time artist and blogger. He discusses the power of art and cartoons in conveying complex ideas and emotions, particularly in the context of faith and deconstruction.

David emphasizes the importance of personal interpretation and understanding love within the church, especially regarding marginalized communities. His work challenges authority structures and promotes inclusivity, making a significant impact on those who feel excluded or misunderstood.

This conversation explores the themes of love, compassion, and community, emphasizing the indiscriminate nature of love and the importance of abundance over scarcity.

The conversation touches on the power of love, the role of the church in society, and the need for reform within religious structures. David shares his journey of deconstruction, emphasizing that questioning beliefs is a normal part of spiritual growth. He discusses the challenges faced by those who deconstruct within the church and the importance of creating spaces for open dialogue.

David Hayward - The Naked Pastor / The Indiscriminate Nature Of Love

<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">In this conversation, Tara Boothby, Brooke Waters, and Jason explore the intricate relationship between love, attachment theory, and spirituality. They discuss how our early experiences shape our views of self and God, the transformative power of love, and the importance of trust in relationships.<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">Tara shares her journey as a psychologist and how her understanding of love and attachment has evolved, emphasizing the need for a nonviolent approach to God and the healing process.<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">The discussion also touches on the concept of sin as a default behavior rather than a moral failing, encouraging a more compassionate view of ourselves and others. The conversation delves into the complexities of addiction, the cycles that individuals find themselves in, and the power of choice in breaking these cycles. They discuss the importance of removing shame and embracing one’s identity, as well as the role of curiosity in fostering understanding in relationships.

*Rethinking God with Tacos