In this conversation, Jason Clark, Matthew Hester, and Chris Green discuss the concept of union with Christ and its implications. They explore the idea that Jesus identifies completely with humanity and suffers with us. They also discuss the difference between a simplistic understanding of union and a profound understanding that recognizes the fullness of our identity in Christ.

How the master-slave paradigm is misused to justify power and control, speaking truth with love and authority, Christian nationalism and how it undermines the integrity of the gospel, the concept of the fear of the Lord and how it leads to perfect love, breaking conspiracy thinking and the hope we can know because God is in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, in this podcast, the guys start and end with the hope of the Gospel—God is in Christ reconciling the world to Himself.

“The Israelite heals; that’s all you need to know.” Jefferey
From Cormac McCarthy’s The Passenger.

Chris EW Green / The Israelite Heals, That's All You Need To Know

Union, the gospel according to John, the nature of delusion, everlasting mercy, early church fathers and mothers, the always good nature of God, a prophet in his hometown desperation, the wrath of God, hell, freedom, salvation, holiness, the Fatherhood of God before creation, the incarnation, a prophet in his home town, the cloud of witnesses, the all-inclusive vicarious humanity of Jesus, the good Shepherd, in this conversation Baxter reveals the gospel as very good news—Christ in you! Plus, crawfish tacos!

C. Baxter Kruger / Christ In You!

“How do we move toward each other in love, the truth of our authentic power? Perhaps, we welcome change instead of resisting it. To expand my worldview beyond the paradigm of Southern, Christian, rural, or working poor to a larger cosmic frame that is inclusive, universal, affirming, and accepting, I needed to see the parts and the whole in all their majestic splendor and their messy complexity.”

And: The Restorative Power Of Love In An Either Or World, in this podcast, Felicia shares the message of her book. Touching on issues of race, body, motherhood, church, and wonder, Felicia offers her soul, and it is a wise, deep, creative, and generous soul. The restorative power and uniting thread of love, union, empathy, dualism, good and evil, and The Tree of Life, this conversation is full of hope, grace, wisdom, and revelation.

Felicia Murrell / And: The Restorative Power Of Love In An Either/Or World

“The Kingdom is the heart and the authority of God, from heaven, on earth, through us.” Rethinking Kingdom in the context of union, understanding the nature of the King, the penal substitutionary atonement heresy, a restorative understanding of the prophetic, how to receive or judge a prophetic word, holding on to what is good, dominion as opposed to domination, in this conversation, Dubb Alexander gives insight into Jesus words, Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand…God’s kingdom is within.

Dubb Alexander / The Kingdom

In this conversation, Bill Vanderbush and Jason discuss the shift from a desperate, performance-based Christianity to living in the goodness and simplicity of Christ. They explore the concept of the goodness of God and the danger of limited perception. They also touch on the deconstructed community and the reformational period the body of Christ is going through.

Bill Vanderbush / Unveiled Horizon

<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">In this conversation, Jason and Bryant Spratlin discuss the goodness of God and the journey of rethinking God’s wrath as love, the impact of misinterpretation and bad theology, hearing God’s voice, parenting and apologizing, choosing to love and staying connected, identity, loving the religious, imaginary prayer, the fear of being wrong, rethinking hell, apokatastasis-the restoration of all things, the pleasure of our Father, awakening to the present love reality, and Jesus as the perfect minister. The guys discuss the story of the woman caught in adultery to reveal the paradigm of union as the third option Jesus offers all of us. Overall, this conversation highlights the importance of understanding God’s goodness and the transformative power of grace.

Bryant Spratlin / The Third Option

Early encounters with Holy Spirit—the Gospel, growing in the language of love, shifting paradigms from separation to union, the conviction of God’s goodness, The Prodigal Son and the Good Father, Jesus the storyteller, and the significance of presenting the gospel through story, prison ministry, and transformative love, the Eucharist, the eternal now, gratitude and enjoyment; in this conversation Malcolm and Cheryl Smith share their background and journey in ministry, highlighting key moments of encounter and revelation.

Malcolm & Cheryl Smith / The Storyteller

<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 14px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">Jason and Brooke connect with Ian Simkins and talk about community, the role of the table in ministry, and our identity being discovered in knowing ourselves as “the one Jesus loves.”<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 14px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">They dive into the challenges of tribalism and division and the need for curiosity and humility in engaging with others. Themes of self-worth, identity, and the concept of being loved are discussed as they explore the impact of workaholism, the need for validation, and the struggle to find value beyond accomplishments.<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 14px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">The conversation addresses the practical implications of being loved, the correlation between self-love and loving others, the importance of operating from a place of rest, the concept of mystery in faith, the beauty of curiosity, and the significance of valuing interruptions.

Ian Simkins / The Table

<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 12px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); line-height: 1.6em; font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">In this conversation, Jason and Catherine Toon discuss the themes of love, identity, and purpose as they revisit Catherine’s revised and expanded edition of her book, Marked By Love.<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 12px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); line-height: 1.6em; font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">They discuss the importance of journaling and encountering God experientially. The conversation addresses the lies and insecurities we often believe about ourselves and the truth of our identity in Christ. The conversation emphasizes the transformative power of God’s love as they explore the idea that we are created in God’s image and likeness, prone to love, and designed to live in the fullness of His pleasure.<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 12px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); line-height: 1.6em; font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">They also touch on the importance of trust and faith in navigating life’s challenges and finding rest in God’s presence. The conversation is filled with insights and personal stories that highlight the transformative power of understanding our identity in Christ.

Catherine Toon / Loveology

This is the first of four conversations with Mathew Hester, focused on his book, The Rorschach God, and Jason's book, Leaving and Finding Jesus. In this conversation, Matthew and Jason explore the idea that our experiences and perspectives shape our image of God and how this can lead to a distorted view. They emphasize the need to trust in God's goodness, as Jesus revealed, and to live in the freedom of knowing that we are loved and accepted by Him. The conversation also touches on relational theology, the nature of the Father, and the shift from a separation gospel to a gospel of union.

Hester & Clark Part One / Rethinking Our Understanding of God: The Rorschach God

This is the second of four conversations with Mathew Hester, focused on his book, The Rorschach God, and Jason's book, Leaving and Finding Jesus. In this conversation, Jason and Matthew discuss the story of the Emmaus Road and its significance in understanding the nature of God and our relationship with Him. They explore the idea that Jesus is always present and walking with us, even when we don't recognize Him. They emphasize the importance of revelation and awakening to the reality of union with God. They also highlight the freedom and confidence that comes from living in our true identity as sons and daughters of God.

Hester & Clark Part 2 / Revelation: When Our Head Catches Up with the Truth

In this conversation, Jason and Matthew Hester discuss the nature of God and the concept of justice. They explore the idea of a measureless love that transcends dimensions of time and space—and how this love is the foundation of God's character. They challenge traditional Western views of wrath and justice, emphasizing the restorative nature of God's justice. They also touch on the topic of hell and how it is often misunderstood. Overall, the conversation invites listeners to rethink their understanding of God and His love.

For more information on Matthew Hester:
www.hesterministries.org

For more information on Jason Clark:
www.afamilystory.org

Hester & Clark Part 3 / Reclaiming the Character and Nature of God

In this conversation, Jason and Matthew Hester discuss the nature of God and the concept of justice. They explore the idea of a measureless love that transcends dimensions of time and space—and how this love is the foundation of God's character. They challenge traditional Western views of wrath and justice, emphasizing the restorative nature of God's justice. They also touch on the topic of hell and how it is often misunderstood. Overall, the conversation invites listeners to rethink their understanding of God and His love.

For more information on Matthew Hester:
www.hesterministries.org

For more information on Jason Clark:
www.afamilystory.org

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Hester & Clark Part 4 / The Measureless Love of God!

The conversation between Jason Clark and Luke Agee explores the themes of community, rediscovering the goodness of God, and the transition happening in the body of Christ. They discuss the idea of Jason being known as the 'tacos guy' and how tacos represent the communal aspect of rediscovering who God is. They also delve into the story of Naaman and how it relates to the current season of the church. They emphasize the shift from a transactional mindset to a participation in a relationship with a God who is better than we thought.

In this conversation, the guys discuss the concept of separation from God and the miss-identity it creates. They explore the idea that God never abandoned Jesus on the cross and that there is no division or separation within the Trinity. They also challenge the belief in eternal conscious torment and propose that hell is the rejection of love and a distorted perspective of God. The conversation concludes with a reflection on Psalm 23 and the invitation to trust in the goodness and love of God.

For more information on Luke Agee:
www.facebook.com/lou.casagee

For more information on Jason Clark:
www.afamilystory.org

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Luke Agee & Jason Clark Part 1 / Freedom From Shame and Condemnation

In this conversation, Luke Agee and Jason discuss the concept of separation and the lie that Jesus was abandoned by the Father on the cross. They explore Psalm 22 and how it is fulfilled in Jesus' crucifixion, highlighting that Jesus was not abandoned by the Father but was actually fulfilling prophecy. 

They also touch on the topic of eternal conscious torment. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the goodness of God and the invitation to trust in His love.

For more information on Luke Agee:
www.facebook.com/lou.casagee

For more information on Jason Clark:
www.afamilystory.org

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Luke Agee & Jason Clark Part 2 / Rethinking Eternal Conscious Torment

<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">In this conversation, hosted by Bob Switzer and Jason, David Hewitt discusses the message of his new book, Ultimate Rest. They guys dive into living from a place of union with God. David emphasizes that the gospel is an announcement of what God has already done, and our role is to awaken to the rest that is already available to us in Christ. David highlights the importance of living in the overflow of God’s love and grace, rather than striving to earn His favor. He encourages a relational approach to sharing the gospel, where we authentically live out our identity in Christ and allow God to work through us.<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">

David Hewitt / Ultimate Rest

<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">In this conversation, Jason and Jeff Turner discuss their experiences with questioning and exploring their faith. They talk about the process of deconstructing their beliefs and the fear and uncertainty that comes with it. In the first half of the conversation, the guys touch on themes from Jeff’s book, Saints in the Arms of a Happy God. They discuss topics such as grace, legalism, pain, leaving and finding Jesus, and the tight-knit community of like-minded individuals.<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 15px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif;">In the second half of the conversation, they discuss Jeff’s book, The Atheistic Theist: Why There is No God and You Should Follow Him. Jeff shares how atheism was part of Jeff’s journey to a deeper understanding of faith.

*Rethinking God with Tacos